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The cartoony stuff isn't al...Yeah, that works!<br /><br />The cartoony stuff isn't always bad. Like, when you run out of ideas, why <i>not</i> just do a bunch of gags? Cheers did that after they finally shook the Sam/Diane thing: just wrote jokes. It worked. It can be good.<br /><br />Much better than pretending you've still got a story to tell, when you don't! The latter-day Ross works because as a bagful of tics he can still be funny, and as a pursuer of romance, happiness, etc. he can't. Look what the Ross/Rachel thing eventually does away with, for heaven's sake: my God, he used to have a <i>son!</i> But eventually that old collection of character features he started out with just got made irrelevant to the Big Thing the show's producers committed to: who's gonna hook up, and when. Well, less texture is more, when you're locked into that particular strategy...plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414785286921467267.post-46834729392827830212010-08-11T21:27:56.696-05:002010-08-11T21:27:56.696-05:00True enough, definitely. I like live-action cartoo...True enough, definitely. I like live-action cartoon characters when they work (which I'll get to when I do something about 30 Rock) but the Friends characters do seem to go cartoony as the seasons go on because of that self-satisfaction. <br /><br />Hey, you know, what's interesting about your three categories is that Friends do not date within their own category; Rachel can hook up with Ross OR Joey but not Chandler...Phoebe seems to be the only girl Joey's not interested in, Ross and Monica are siblings. Hm!Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16490957677766912068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414785286921467267.post-62088311964525200552010-08-10T02:01:04.080-05:002010-08-10T02:01:04.080-05:00POST!!!
Sorry, that's getting annoying, isn&#...<i>POST!!!</i><br /><br />Sorry, that's getting annoying, isn't it?<br /><br />Anyway, I think Friends shows off a very interesting breakdown of comic principles. In the beginning, the "aspirational" thing was in effect in a goofy, subversive way -- by being a "Ross" (i.e. being a pathetic gets-the-ball-loses-the-ball kind of chronic fuckup) you could lodge your failings in his positive qualities: charming nervousness, well-meaningness, intelligence, compassion. If you were a Chandler you could call yourself funny, self-aware, and insightful as well as spastic and immature. Joey was giving, Phoebe was loving (as Ursula wasn't), Monica was protective, Rachel was earnest. This was all very forgiving, and funny. But when the Friends get "better", they mostly become as awful as people seem to think the Seinfeld characters were...the apologies become excuses, and the identifications become justifications. My Dad stopped watching.<br /><br />Whaddaya think, true-ish?<br /><br />Post?plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414785286921467267.post-35613138269257178992010-08-10T01:50:29.831-05:002010-08-10T01:50:29.831-05:00Post!
Good, I woulda had to successfully finish t...Post!<br /><br />Good, I woulda had to successfully finish that story otherwise. Don Draper said it in Mad Men, when Peggy tells him "sex sells". "Who told you <i>that?</i>" he says scornfully. <i>Feeling</i> something sells. The cast of Friends are all losers, they don't know how to do it all, they're faking it but they're <i>not making it</i>, and just like in Seinfeld that's where the comedy comes from, what makes them all bearable. When the show loses those bearings it becomes almost despicable, smug...I had a friend who refused to watch it until someone gave him tapes of the last two seasons. he asked "who do you think's the funniest?" I said, "In the last two seasons? Jennifer Aniston. David Schwimmer when Ross is dealing with "his rage" or when he's playing "his music" for Phoebe. Everybody else has stopped trying to make themselves work even though they don't. Ross has gone out the other side of himself into pure gag-based caricature; Rachel's still losing every which way, and getting humiliated, and soldiering on.<br /><br />Post?plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414785286921467267.post-69294105299816240772010-08-10T01:42:46.942-05:002010-08-10T01:42:46.942-05:00I woulda gone two sets of three: The Innocent One,...I woulda gone two sets of three: The Innocent One, The Funny One, The Smart One? Joey/Phoebe, Chandler/Rachel, Ross/Monica, respectively, although I dunno if those labels are any good. Anyway, Joey and Phoebe act and succeed, where Chandler and Rachel self-consciously spazz out and fail, where Ross and Monica can't even believe what just happened. My Dad used to watch this show in the first two seasons, he'd tape it and watch it after my mother went to bed: he called it "that Stupid show". So you know it was well-made, for a time: when my retired father enjoyed the gawky and hapless young-adult humour.<br /><br />Then they ruined it!<br /><br />I think because it <i>did</i> become a sort of brochure, an aspirational menu. But it worked better for me when you wouldn't <i>want</i> to be any of these characters, when they weren't obvious "types" but people struggling not to become what they didn't want to be, that it looked like they already were. Phoebe breaks up with Fisher Stevens because his rightness about the Friends won't permit any of them to change themselves without giving up on their struggle, e.g...<br /><br />Post?plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414785286921467267.post-48108314349987332402010-07-18T05:07:49.932-05:002010-07-18T05:07:49.932-05:00I swear to God, I am going to comment at awful len...I swear to God, I am going to comment at awful length on these ones...I am just in a twitchy sort of Internet area right now.<br /><br />COMING...!<br /><br />It's good stuff, some apt phrasing, I'm dying to get into all this.plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com